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Chicago Sports Roundtable: Bulls Lacking Direction, Jose Quintana Trade Talks, or Lack Thereof

Join the “TLS” writers in a roundtable discussion every Monday on The Loop Sports! This Week we talk the Bulls lack of front office direction and the Chris Bosh rumblings, as well as the White Sox stalled Jose Quintana trade discussions.

The Loop Sports Staff Roundtable for the week of January 23, 2017:

The Bulls were reported to be interested in signing Chris Bosh this summer, what are your thoughts on a potential Bosh/Wade reunion in Chicago in 2017-2018?

Source: Streeter Lecka/Getty Images North America
Source: Streeter Lecka/Getty Images North America

Patrick Flowers: This has to be the worst idea in Chicago in recent memory. Chris Bosh is beyond his prime, battling severe health issues, and hasn’t played basketball since last season. The Bulls are already looking to move last summer’s head-scratching signing in Rajon Rondo, because it’s been just short of disastrous thus far.

Why continue to subject the fans to these aimless moves that are ultimately just wasting Jimmy Butler‘s prime years of his career? I don’t know who I feel worse for, the fans who are forced to consume this mediocre mess, or Butler who plays heavy minutes night after night while carrying this team on his back just to hover around the bottom of the Eastern Conference playoff picture. Either way, no thanks on the Bosh idea, and no thanks on any other moves that don’t involve youth or draft picks as a return as well.

Benjamin Davis: I am not happy about it. I do not believe Bosh helps the team in any way other than adding another perimeter threat. This team needs to stop looking at veterans and start pursuing young talent that can shape the future of the franchise.

Tim Moran: Surprisingly, I think this would be a good move by a sub-par front office. In his most recent season, Bosh posted excellent numbers, and he could help fix the Bulls’ front-court starter issues with his 19.1 PPG and 7.4 rebounds per game.

I’m sure these will decrease slightly, factoring rust and his age, but it would still be an improvement over any of the Bulls’ current big men. Additionally, he could help mentor younger big men like Bobby Portis. As long as his price isn’t too high, it should be a good investment.

Matt Grabianski: Welcome back to 2010, everyone! This is a terrible idea. The Bulls have no sense of direction. Just fire everyone and start over (this is probably a bad idea but you get the gist.)

Owen Schoenfeld: Why must we continue to pretend it’s 2010. Is management trying to rectify a blatantly missed opportunity, you know, when the big three converged in South Beach instead of Chicago. What’s next? A 37 year-old LeBron James joining 40 year-old Dwyane Wade and a crumbling Chris Bosh in 2022?

Is that where we’re headed because pursuing Bosh in 2017 is just as asinine. He’s missed over 25 games in each of his last two seasons and his career is literally on blood thinners. Not to make light of a rather serious situation, but as a fan, I’d much prefer seeing Chris Bosh lead a healthy life than watch him play through blood clots. It’s time to ride out the string in 2017 and start pinching pennies. A big name needs to come to Chicago this summer, and it’s certainly not Chris Bosh.

Nick Petrusevski: The Bulls are a joke. There is no other way to put it. Why, why, why would they want Chris Bosh? He’s 32 and past his prime. Yes, I understand that he’s close friends with Wade, but what would he provide in 2017 other than a distraction.

Signing Rondo has been a disaster, signing Bosh wouldn’t be much better. At this point, Gar And Pax are a joke. As I’m writing this I heard a rumor that the Bulls want Ricky Rubio. Again, why? I think you hold onto Jimmy Butler, but everyone else should be on the market.

Are you in favor of holding on to Jose Quintana until the trade deadline, or would you prefer Rick Hahn to get a deal done before Opening Day, even if that means he has to budge slightly on his demands?

Source: Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images North America
Source: Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images North America

Patrick Flowers: I am definitely in favor of the White Sox getting a move done before Opening Day. “The White Sox are in no rush to move Jose Quintana, they can move him in July or next winter”… Sure they could do that, and they could also offset the MLB arrival time of two groups of prospects acquired, Quintana could face injury this season, he could see a decline in performance, he could be left vulnerable by a stop-gap offense of fillers and youngsters in 2017.

All of those scenario’s would result in Quintana losing value, and ultimately bringing back a deal that Hahn could get right now if he was to loosen the grips on his demands just ever so slightly. The difference is that return in July, or next winter would be six months to a year behind the bulk of the White Sox current top prospects in terms of development and MLB readiness.

Benjamin Davis: I believe Jose Quintana is the kind of asset that Hahn can wait as long as he needs to in order to get the return he wants. Young, controllable pitchers like Quintana sell themselves, and if netting the optimal return means waiting til mid-season, so be it.

Tim Moran: I would prefer it if the White Sox waited, especially if they would have to lower their price to trade him prior to Opening Day. As I mention in the upcoming podcast, teams tend to be more desperate by the trade deadline. By now, teams have taken action and are mostly satisfied with their standing, after having several months to adjust.
However, by mid-season, teams on the edge of a playoff spot are concerned about their playoff hopes, and will be willing to spend more for a premium hurler like Quintana. Furthermore, extra time can only help the Sox.  Jose Quintana is amazing and will stay that way, but that is not true with prospects.
Three/four extra months will give the Sox time to see how the prospects are developing, and therefore allow Rick Hahn to reevaluate his wish lists and get a better return. Most importantly, there’s no rush. I will be satisfied if any solid deal is made, but waiting a few months is in no way a waste and will just give Hahn more time to construct a solid trade.
Matt Grabianski: Hahn needs to wait until he gets the best deal possible for Quintana. Keeping him for half the season is obviously a slight gamble, but if he doesn’t like anything he’s getting this offseason he should wait.
There is the risk that Quintana does poorly or injures himself, but waiting until teams know what they need will get the front office better deals, and who knows? Maybe Quintana puts up Cy Young worthy numbers and the Sox get an absolute haul. Patience will pay off.
Owen SchoenfeldMy stance on every premium, controllable asset the Chicago White Sox have held or currently hold is to not sell for $0.75 on the dollar. In fact, I want a premium. That said, the calculus on a Jose Quintana deal has gotten incredibly complex. There is real risk in keeping him, both tangible and abstract. There’s the inflating of draft position, under-performance, inherent distractions, or worse, injury. Then there’s the market factors, such as both Chris Archer and Sonny Gray rebuilding their own value and becoming solid contingency plans.

The challenge for Rick Hahn will be to survey the field and evaluate whether or not the discounted packages he’s seeing now balance with the risk of holding his cards. In other words, if the White Sox want players X, Y, and Z from the Pirates, is the value of player Z (theoretically the current hold up) worth the risk? Does budging on Z dilute the overall surplus value of the package lower than the risk-adjusted value and opportunity cost of keeping Quintana. If the answer is no, then it’s time to pull the trigger.

Nick Petrusevski: Personally, I would like to see the White Sox trade Quintana before spring training. Hell, even before Sox fest. However, the right deal has to be offered. There is no need to rush into anything because come July contenders will be desperate for a starting pitcher like Q. Maybe, the White Sox could get better package for him then. Either way Rick Hahn has proved to be patient and I expect the same to continue going forward.

 

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